I think I don't encounter that much anti-K/S and general homophobic nonsense b/c I don't have the internet.
YOU SMART PERSON, YOU. Seriously, the internet is made of so much fail, sometimes. Personally being queer myself makes people avoid that nonsense around me (unless they want a smack-down of epic proportions), but the internet makes me go D:. It's depressing.
I can't say that EVERY ST forum is homophobic. Like with H/D, you'll have some places that don't give a damn, and then others that will seriously get irate about it for just an icon or a vague mention. But there are major ST fandom players that are VERY anti-K/S, like some former writers for the show (not the main ones, strangely enough), or long-time fans who will seriously get on anyone's case about it. Paramount was also not-too-friendly, and I think they are partially responsible for the footnote Gene wrote in the TMP novel. I don't know - it's all about politics, I think. And heteronormativity on a flagrant scale.
I guess I bring it up because there's the SEE Movement going around LJ, and it's getting a lot of flack. They want Paramount to legitimize K/S in the Reboot movies, so OF COURSE the Spock/Uhura shippers are trying to bring the smack-down (and the wank). It also doesn't help (and I'll include myself in this) that there are K/S shippers who are afraid of bringing it up; although Orci and Kurtzmann are monitoring the fanbase and probably know we want it. But it is bringing the whole "Actually, you were never canon..." argument from the anti-K/S again, and that is distressing. It would be one thing if it was limited to those posts and conversations - which I try to avoid like the plague - but vague mentions now are like, "Why? Not like you're canon." *headdesk*.
On one hand it's frustrating, and on the other it's amusing to see S/U shippers so intimidated by us. I oscillate between wickedly rubbing my hands and face-palming on a regular basis.
B/c not only was JKR being an asshole about H/Hr, but H/G fans were pointing to it and saying, "Ha! See? We're right and everyone else is wrong! Nya nya nya!"
To be fair, H/Hr shippers could be just as bad. But at least we never trolled their websites to say it. (We just wrote amazing essays that said it, more or less.)
That wiki article is amazing, because I've always had a problem with people who just... I don't know, take things at face value. If an author says something is so, some just swallow and regurgitate it without thinking; and that's distressing. Gods forbid if I get published, and I have a similar readership. I never graduated from college, so that term is entirely new to me (obviously), so thanks for the article. ♥
I semi-ship R/Hr (even though I hate Ron and Hermione deserves so much better, she really does)
Gods, I hate all of the Weasleys. Which is blasphemous to say usually, but I can't help it. I find Ron to be such a fucking moron; and that's awful because he didn't have to wind up that way. He was totally bad-ass in strategy in Sorcerer's Stone, and then JKR just dropped that awesomeness like a bad habit for the remaining books. I acknowledge that he's suppose to be "the everyman", but I kind of hate that character in literature, anyway. I think he was generally useless; and put in the books (like all of the Weasleys) out of wish-fulfillment on her part. (Ron apparently is modeled after a best friend of hers... Hmm.)
As for H/D, I'll be perfectly honest: Harry came off as so gay to me the first three books, that I always kind of wondered why people were surprised at the slash. Actually, I was surprised at him liking Cho for that reason. There is so much allegory for homosexuality in the books that it's almost ridiculous. I haven't read any H/D essays, but damn it doesn't take a genius to see it, in my opinion (kind of like K/S). Again, it's all heteronormativity that makes people scoff at it. Boo.
/OMG FUCKING LONG RANT DDD:
Dude, I haven't had this awesome of conversation in a long while. Thanks. :)
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Date: 2009-07-24 01:07 am (UTC)YOU SMART PERSON, YOU. Seriously, the internet is made of so much fail, sometimes. Personally being queer myself makes people avoid that nonsense around me (unless they want a smack-down of epic proportions), but the internet makes me go D:. It's depressing.
I can't say that EVERY ST forum is homophobic. Like with H/D, you'll have some places that don't give a damn, and then others that will seriously get irate about it for just an icon or a vague mention. But there are major ST fandom players that are VERY anti-K/S, like some former writers for the show (not the main ones, strangely enough), or long-time fans who will seriously get on anyone's case about it. Paramount was also not-too-friendly, and I think they are partially responsible for the footnote Gene wrote in the TMP novel. I don't know - it's all about politics, I think. And heteronormativity on a flagrant scale.
I guess I bring it up because there's the SEE Movement going around LJ, and it's getting a lot of flack. They want Paramount to legitimize K/S in the Reboot movies, so OF COURSE the Spock/Uhura shippers are trying to bring the smack-down (and the wank). It also doesn't help (and I'll include myself in this) that there are K/S shippers who are afraid of bringing it up; although Orci and Kurtzmann are monitoring the fanbase and probably know we want it. But it is bringing the whole "Actually, you were never canon..." argument from the anti-K/S again, and that is distressing. It would be one thing if it was limited to those posts and conversations - which I try to avoid like the plague - but vague mentions now are like, "Why? Not like you're canon." *headdesk*.
On one hand it's frustrating, and on the other it's amusing to see S/U shippers so intimidated by us. I oscillate between wickedly rubbing my hands and face-palming on a regular basis.
B/c not only was JKR being an asshole about H/Hr, but H/G fans were pointing to it and saying, "Ha! See? We're right and everyone else is wrong! Nya nya nya!"
To be fair, H/Hr shippers could be just as bad. But at least we never trolled their websites to say it. (We just wrote amazing essays that said it, more or less.)
That wiki article is amazing, because I've always had a problem with people who just... I don't know, take things at face value. If an author says something is so, some just swallow and regurgitate it without thinking; and that's distressing. Gods forbid if I get published, and I have a similar readership. I never graduated from college, so that term is entirely new to me (obviously), so thanks for the article. ♥
I semi-ship R/Hr (even though I hate Ron and Hermione deserves so much better, she really does)
Gods, I hate all of the Weasleys. Which is blasphemous to say usually, but I can't help it. I find Ron to be such a fucking moron; and that's awful because he didn't have to wind up that way. He was totally bad-ass in strategy in Sorcerer's Stone, and then JKR just dropped that awesomeness like a bad habit for the remaining books. I acknowledge that he's suppose to be "the everyman", but I kind of hate that character in literature, anyway. I think he was generally useless; and put in the books (like all of the Weasleys) out of wish-fulfillment on her part. (Ron apparently is modeled after a best friend of hers... Hmm.)
As for H/D, I'll be perfectly honest: Harry came off as so gay to me the first three books, that I always kind of wondered why people were surprised at the slash. Actually, I was surprised at him liking Cho for that reason. There is so much allegory for homosexuality in the books that it's almost ridiculous. I haven't read any H/D essays, but damn it doesn't take a genius to see it, in my opinion (kind of like K/S). Again, it's all heteronormativity that makes people scoff at it. Boo.
/OMG FUCKING LONG RANT DDD:
Dude, I haven't had this awesome of conversation in a long while. Thanks. :)