LOL rants are all good! I rant myself sometimes--you may have noticed that. XP
You know, your first paragraph made me realizse something important. I think I don't encounter that much anti-K/S and general homophobic nonsense b/c I don't have the internet. All of the people I know IRL get shouted at if they try that bullshit, and they really never do b/c I'm fairly obvious and loud about my viewpoints. But due to my limited internet time at the library, I never "waste time" when I'm bored by going online and looking at general message boards. So I end up sticking on LJ or just talking to people I know, and of course I never get any crap there. So, from your perspective (which must be the perspective of everybody else in the world who's got a computer too *headdesk*), I can see why the Analyzation project is important for pointing out the subtext that's OBVIOUSLY in TOS.
I think K/S is basically THE most canon ship in TOS. And I've heard many people say that GR and the cast were all either pro-K/S or neutral to it. Which is also important. So knowing that there's a lot of homophobiz and general dissing of K/S in ST fandom is not only mind-boggling and incredibly insulting, but also an example of just blatant ignorance and inability to see past a person's prejudices. It's sad people still think that way, seriously. :(
As for JKR's idiocy, I agree with everything you said and there are really no words to expres my immediate and all-consuming rage at that comment. The first time I read it, I was at a computer in my college and I literally shoved my rolly-chair away from the table and said "WHAT THE FUCK?!?!" so loudly that everyone looked at me. And I was so ticked off that I wasn't even embarrassed about it. Which is saying something, really.
LOL, I LOVED "The Golden Compass" and that whole series. Still getting through the last one, though--the past few years I keep putting it down and never picking it back up. D: But regardless, yes, I think Pullman's a great example of an author who is open to different interpretations and in fact leaves the text open as well. Any author worth their salt knows that you can't control what a reader thinks, and that attempting to do so is not only a futile endeavor but also sort of manipulative and off-putting. OMG, I forgot that she's also mocked the Snape's a vampie theory--I actually did think it was fairly ridiculous, personally, but I also thought those fans had some excellent points to be made that would be hard to overlook to any careful reader.
Wikipedia's article on reader-response theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reader-response_criticism) describes it better than I ever could. The first time I encountered the term as an undergrad freshman, I realized I'd been a reader-response theorist my whole life and just hadn't ever known there was a term for it. :P You should check the whole article out if you're interested/have the time.
I lost respect for JKR and for Harry/Ginny fans after that interview. B/c not only was JKR being an asshole about H/Hr, but H/G fans were pointing to it and saying, "Ha! See? We're right and everyone else is wrong! Nya nya nya!" It was absurdly immature and I ended up just backing out of every HP fandom site I was on except the H/D-focused ones. *headdesk* I think most non-H/G shippers had a similar experience after that. D:
Any attempt fans made at showing a pairing other than R/Hr and H/G was ALWAYS backed up by hard evidence and other examples of relationships in literature. That was one of the reasons I really became annoyed at both R/Hr and H/G fans. They thought it was incredibly obvious their ships were canon and that they didn't need to make an attempt to prove it. I mean, I semi-ship R/Hr (even though I hate Ron and Hermione deserves so much better, she really does), but I wouldn't say that without knowing how to back it up with evidence from the text! In fact, the reason I got into H/D was because those arguments were the most convincing to me and I found them impossible to refute on both a logical and an emotional level.
LOL, I totally think you're a reader-response theorist. Most intelligent people are. \o/
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Date: 2009-07-21 07:16 pm (UTC)You know, your first paragraph made me realizse something important. I think I don't encounter that much anti-K/S and general homophobic nonsense b/c I don't have the internet. All of the people I know IRL get shouted at if they try that bullshit, and they really never do b/c I'm fairly obvious and loud about my viewpoints. But due to my limited internet time at the library, I never "waste time" when I'm bored by going online and looking at general message boards. So I end up sticking on LJ or just talking to people I know, and of course I never get any crap there. So, from your perspective (which must be the perspective of everybody else in the world who's got a computer too *headdesk*), I can see why the Analyzation project is important for pointing out the subtext that's OBVIOUSLY in TOS.
I think K/S is basically THE most canon ship in TOS. And I've heard many people say that GR and the cast were all either pro-K/S or neutral to it. Which is also important. So knowing that there's a lot of homophobiz and general dissing of K/S in ST fandom is not only mind-boggling and incredibly insulting, but also an example of just blatant ignorance and inability to see past a person's prejudices. It's sad people still think that way, seriously. :(
As for JKR's idiocy, I agree with everything you said and there are really no words to expres my immediate and all-consuming rage at that comment. The first time I read it, I was at a computer in my college and I literally shoved my rolly-chair away from the table and said "WHAT THE FUCK?!?!" so loudly that everyone looked at me. And I was so ticked off that I wasn't even embarrassed about it. Which is saying something, really.
LOL, I LOVED "The Golden Compass" and that whole series. Still getting through the last one, though--the past few years I keep putting it down and never picking it back up. D: But regardless, yes, I think Pullman's a great example of an author who is open to different interpretations and in fact leaves the text open as well. Any author worth their salt knows that you can't control what a reader thinks, and that attempting to do so is not only a futile endeavor but also sort of manipulative and off-putting. OMG, I forgot that she's also mocked the Snape's a vampie theory--I actually did think it was fairly ridiculous, personally, but I also thought those fans had some excellent points to be made that would be hard to overlook to any careful reader.
Wikipedia's article on reader-response theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reader-response_criticism) describes it better than I ever could. The first time I encountered the term as an undergrad freshman, I realized I'd been a reader-response theorist my whole life and just hadn't ever known there was a term for it. :P You should check the whole article out if you're interested/have the time.
I lost respect for JKR and for Harry/Ginny fans after that interview. B/c not only was JKR being an asshole about H/Hr, but H/G fans were pointing to it and saying, "Ha! See? We're right and everyone else is wrong! Nya nya nya!" It was absurdly immature and I ended up just backing out of every HP fandom site I was on except the H/D-focused ones. *headdesk* I think most non-H/G shippers had a similar experience after that. D:
Any attempt fans made at showing a pairing other than R/Hr and H/G was ALWAYS backed up by hard evidence and other examples of relationships in literature. That was one of the reasons I really became annoyed at both R/Hr and H/G fans. They thought it was incredibly obvious their ships were canon and that they didn't need to make an attempt to prove it. I mean, I semi-ship R/Hr (even though I hate Ron and Hermione deserves so much better, she really does), but I wouldn't say that without knowing how to back it up with evidence from the text! In fact, the reason I got into H/D was because those arguments were the most convincing to me and I found them impossible to refute on both a logical and an emotional level.
LOL, I totally think you're a reader-response theorist. Most intelligent people are. \o/
/OMG FUCKING LONG RANT DDD: